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- Companies need to please Trump exist - CEOs can no longer speak on issues which might hurt the go of president - Freedom of expression is limited to freedom to support Trump

Trump is the communist nobody warn you about :-D


Good rage bait

It's kind of ironic given how much USA is censoring content based on their interest.


> It's kind of ironic given how much USA is censoring content based on their interest.

What’s a good example?


See yesterday’s FCC hearing before congress. It’s hypocritical for the US to be doing the exact opposite of what they’re doing at home.


TikTok.


> TikTok.

Case that it's not censorship: it is not about what content TikTok shows, it's about who owns the algorithm and data. Forcing a sale to a US owner keeps the platform available while removing a (perceived) national security risk. The government isn't suppressing any particular speech.

Case it is censorship: forcing the sale of a platform used by 10s of millions of Americans does affect speech of both creators and viewers. The government is making a structural intervention in a speech platform based partly on the potential for future manipulation.

The argument that some would use is that it is more accurately framed as economic nationalism or geopolitical competition dressed in free speech clothing. Others see it as a legitimate national security risk with acceptable free speech tradeoffs.


Which content is being censored?


TLDR:

USA should be allowed to use 0 days for their "counter" terrorism operations. This is interesting at the time of USA being complicit in a genocide against a community.


In the paraphrasing of Chomsky, nationstate press conference lingo has subtle connotations. "Spreading democracy" means "whatever America wants", which means "whatever American businesses want." Gen. Smedley Butler probably would second it.

As an aside, I'm concurrently and in parallel concerned about the domestic front: cheap IoT, substitute control system products having backdoors, and supply chain vulnerabilities of otherwise reputable products being implanted in an NSA COTTONMOUTH, FIREWALK, or GODSURGE manner by other nation-states or ransomware actors.


Flagged again, as expected ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ . HN moderators are complicit in the genocide!


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38691198 This post got flagged despite not being offtopic. An encyclopedia being accused of siding with perpetrators of genocide is not a small thing. Remember the coverage of Ukraine war here.


But still there is a good chance that this will get flagged since there are HN admins who still deny genocide.


If we go by the number of civilians who got killed and the loss of infrastructure, You can compare the impact of 9/11 and the so called counter operation. Assuming you consider value of civilian life is same for a US citizen and a non US citizen.


These are definitely valid criticisms against Hamas, But how does that even remotely justify Israel? How does armed gang storming your house and killing you is different than bombing? Will it be less painful death?

You want to take the claims about rape and mutilation though there weren't any proofs given till date, but doubt the number of people killed on Gaza despite all the names are published?

If your only solution to beat a "terrorist" organization is to be bigger evil than them talks about the weakness of your government, not a blanket justification to commit genocide.


I'm not sure what you're suggesting. That Hamas can commit a raid into Israel and then stay in Gaza with impunity because Israel is not allowed to bomb Gaza? That makes no sense. What do you propose Israel do with this "terrorist" (why the double quotes?) organization?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forensic-t...

The word genocide is used way to often in this conflict. My dictionary says "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.". There is no genocide.


Used double quotes because neither IDF nor Hamas are declared as terrorist organisation by UN. That doesn't the actions of these organisations though.

If Israel can kill someone in Iran with targeted missile, they are capable of doing the same in Palestine as well. Instead of doing that, they are carpet bombing Palestine, and they are totally aware that only handful of "Hamas" members gets killed in their attack.

They also de-humanise entire Palestinians, not just Hamas stright from Hitlar's playbook and that makes it genocide. It is not a fancy word, it is an unfortunate reality.

Also you are shifting blame of a failed government in Israel to people of Palestine


I would disagree that Israel is dehumanizing all Palestinians. Examples? I have heard the Hamas referred to as sub-human (I don't recall where). Unfortunately they are very human. De-humanizing is not genocide and genocide is not a reality. What it is is propaganda. But yes, Germans and Hitler did dehumanize the jews to support their genocide.

How did we get to Iran? It's easier for Israeli intelligence to operate in Iran than in Gaza. Iranians generally don't hide behind their citizens or in tunnels (that I've seen). I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to or how it is relevant.

No doubt there's huge swaths of destruction in Gaza. That said the media will show you some drone shots going over and over the same building and not show you some nearby areas that have not been hit. Israel is being somewhat selective, it's not carpet bombing. But yeah, large destruction definitely, partly to remove cover for when its forces go in. It's definitely pretty terrible. Wars are. Have you seen Mariupol?

The government of Israel has plenty of blame. But the blame for the horrific attacks on Israel lies squarely on Hamas.


> I would disagree that Israel is dehumanizing all Palestinians

This article has some examples. Many more on social media. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/the-la...


This is an opinion piece and I would say biased. Just to picks some random piece: "For years, Israeli leaders have advocated ethnic cleansing, euphemistically called “transfer” " is totally false. We're talking about some fringe crazies, no Israel leader has ever advocated for this.

The article talks about how schools in Israel view Arabs. Well, you should see how schools in Gaza or the West Bank view Israelis:

https://www.memri.org/reports/plo-summer-camps-%E2%80%93-par...

https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-schoolbo...

I would agree there's likely some stereotyping of Arabs and some "freedom" with the historical narrative. But there's also lots of teaching of principles of free society, equal rights, etc. The evidence is the large number of Israeli who have been trying to work towards some sort of peace, helping Palestinians, fighting against injustice.

"Other Israeli political, military and religious leaders have at different times described Palestinians as “a cancer”, “vermin”, and called for them to be “annihilated”. They are frequently portrayed as backward and a burden on the country." -> references?

If you ask a mother whose child has been killed or kidnapped what that mother thinks about the killers or kidnappers you might get "animals" as an answer. Emotions are definitely running high right now everywhere and you're going to get some of that coming out. As a rule though Israel does not de-humanize all Palestinians, there are many Palestinian Israelis (> 1 million) living side by side with Israelis. That's just a false narrative.


A study that shows levels of dehumanization of the other are extremely high and comparable in BOTH Israeli and Palestinian communities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5528981/


Tell your senator to not use your taxes to fund a genocide.


Specifically, the US annually gives $3.8 billion in aid to the Israeli military. In the UN, the US has also utilized their veto power to overrule 34 different resolutions related to Israel/Palestine peace since 1954. This really is the US' creation in so many ways yet so few Americans know anything about the topic.


Just respecting Leehy Law would be enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law


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