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So, um, is this cheating?

The rule is you have to turn in your own, original work. You provided a prompt, and a piece of software turned it into an essay.

Is this inherently different from using the predictive keyboard on iOS, or using Grammerly to write clearer sentences? Where is the cut off point where the computer did too much work on its own?



If you're feeding in the ideas you want the essay to convey and the AI is just turning that into nice prose, I would describe it as a tool instead of cheating - you're still doing the important part. If you're only feeding it the same essay prompt you were given and it is coming up with the ideas it expresses, then it's cheating.

Likewise using a 4 function calculator in an arithmetic class is cheating but in an algebra class it's not.


Is Outlook going to come with an AI that helps an engineering manager succinctly express the pros and cons of two competing approaches to a nontechnical audience and then justifies the decision to go with one over the other? What if these approaches are novel or otherwise something an expert system can't "know about" (or look up on the Wiki)?


I think you and GP agree with each other.

Regardless, IMO this is where the discussion becomes too hypothetical:

• Right now, AIs are bad at writing.

• If a student is able to masterfully craft a prompt which causes today's bad AIs to produce good writing, that student is talented, and I suspect they actually did a significant amount of work.

• If today's bad AIs are able to produce assignments which receive passing grades with minimal prompting, something is wrong with the assignment. Teachers should assign work that isn't so rote a computer can do it.

• If, in the future, AIs are able to write strong, well-reasoned essays about novel concepts, students won't need to learn how to write. They may not need to learn much of anything†, because I don't think there will be much space left for humans in the workforce.

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† "Need" is a key word here; I do believe in learning for its own sake, and apparently we'll have lots of time on our hands. Cool story btw, learning how to develop film in a dark room is lots of fun, would recommend.


AI assisted technical writing is already a thing. You might need to give it more input and do more cleanup on what it spits out, but it can still greatly reduce the time and effort needed. There's no reason to believe the technology will stop improving anytime soon.


> So, um, is this cheating?

It's a really good question, but also a really silly question that no one should have to guess about. Teachers should be simply be providing explicit policies one way or the other.

I had "anything goes" assignments and "strict" assignments. For the former I didn't care. For the latter I could either tell whp if you were cheating, or else proctored the assignment.

Math is a good leader here. Sometimes you allow certain tools. Sometimes you don't. The set of tools allowed tends to increase as courses get more difficult and assignments get larger. It really just depends on what is being evaluated.


Why provide a prompt when you can supply both the book to write about and the assignment?




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