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If someone leaves a pile of private records on a park bench, and I poke around with access I know I shouldn't have, that's not a felony, is it?

When the access is freely given out without any subterfuge, it's not my job to self-enforce my best guess at what my access level should have been.



Agreed, however if a government official says “These records are confidential, please don’t look at them” and then they leave them on a park bench in front of you, then it is a felony to for you to look at them.

In this case, it would be like going through the UI and trying to access the record and getting denied because of a client side access block, so you make a direct call to the backend instead to retrieve the record. You’re making a perfectly legitimate HTTP request but for something you know you shouldn’t be able to access: illegal.


> If someone leaves a pile of private records on a park bench, and I poke around with access I know I shouldn't have, that's not a felony, is it?

Personally, I would not bet my freedom on that assumption.


> If someone leaves a pile of private records on a park bench, and I poke around with access I know I shouldn't have, that's not a felony, is it?

CFAA covers unauthorized access to protected computers, not piles of records on park benches.


Obviously. But I was responding to a particular argument. Why is "knowingly accessing records that you know you shouldn't have access to" so different in this case? There's no trespassing or equivalent; the computer itself was set up for public access.

And "protected computer" is basically all computers. Imagine if the records were on a kindle; that shouldn't change the legality and if the CFAA does so that's a bad thing.


> that shouldn't change the legality and if the CFAA does so that's a bad thing.

Is it really though? What harm may come from legislation preventing you from rifling through somebody’s phone that they left on a park bench?

I’m not saying CFAA isn’t problematic, but I’m very unconvinced that this is the problematic part.


A phone is a personal device and I'd like that to be treated differently in many ways.

A public web server doesn't have such direct privacy issues.

When it comes to records on a bench vs. a non-personal kindle on a bench, I think they should have equal and low protection. Abusing the data should face penalties, but not poking around.


Why should you have any right to “poke around” a kindle you find on a park bench? Beyond any general rights you might have permitting you to take ownership of lost property, that is.

I don’t see any obvious reason as to why this should be allowed, but it’s trivial to come up with a whole plethora of reasons for why you shouldn’t be allowed to poke around such devices.


The key being protected, seems like the the bar is trying to blame a misconfigured DB on a "vulnerability"


“Protected computer” has a specific legal definition which has nothing to do with technical protections, but legal protections.




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