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Not sure if this will surprise you - but I 100% agree with this. I went through the journey that many others did - implementing the loop, then trying to make it useful, realizing the limitations, etc.

I came to similar conclusions - what does valuable agentic software look like? It's not OpenClaw (yet)

The game theory then, in my opinion, is to focus on the knowable frontier - implement tools we can trust - and continue working and sharing that work.

I am holding onto the optimistic case - valuable use cases beyond coding agents will emerge.


Thank you!!!

I don't have a good answer - I've seen a lot of agent deployments but the space is evolving quickly and it's difficult to meaningfully discuss patterns.

This will be solved - and I hope that Jido can be a meaningful participant in that wider conversation.


Lots of output validation support!

Actions can enforce an output schema: https://hexdocs.pm/jido_action/schemas-validation.html#outpu...

Agents can as well - but it can be implemented a few different ways.


My strongest opinion with Jido is that agents must be architecturally correct WITHOUT LLM's before they can be correct WITH LLM's

Jido core has zero LLM support for this reason.

There's nearing 40+ years of "Agent" research in CompSci, LLM's came along and we threw out all of it. I didn't like that so I spent time researching this history to do my best at considering it with Jido.

That said, I love LLM's - but they belong in the Jido AI package.


Fair enough! My comment is about agentic-focused libraries in general, it’s inaccurate of me to call all such libraries “LLM-focused”

Speaking of inaccuracies, BEAM does provide pretty good location transparency - but resource migration between nodes in particular is not part of the built-in goodies that OTP brings


Yep - BEAM has great support for audio workloads - would love to chat

GP is just spamming a bunch of threads with comments about their product. They aren't actually here for the discussion, check their comment history.

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Amazing!

The original version where I laid down the overall patterns was all hand coded. This was mid 2024.

I used Claude to learn & refine the patterns, but it couldn’t write this level of OTP code at that time.

As models got better, I used them to find bugs and simplify - but the bones are roughly the same from that original design.


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